quote, this is paul krugman of the times. the gop answer to the problem of long-term unemployment is to increase the pain of long-term unemployed. cut off benefits and they'll find jobs. how will they find jobs when there are three times as many job seekers as job vacancies? details, details. the unemployment do not -- extended unemployment insurance benefits in the most recent recession prompted some people who otherwise would have dropped out of the workforce to stay a little longer. here we go. ron, this is a basic republican argument. i'm getting back to the politics. why do they say that? why is rand paul -- i know he's an ayn rand conservative. i got to tell you, howard rourke, john gall. they wouldn't collect unemployment i guess. they're dynamos. they're titans of industry. is that where the values are coming from? >> or they're sociopaths. >> that's your reading. you're tough. anyway, what do you think is driving a guy who wants to be president to say something that's obviously going to stagger a lot of people in the